James Milne (Lawrence Arabia) and Sam Scott (The Phoenix Foundation) have a history that dates back to the carefree days of their twenties. Enamored by one another’s art and bands, a long and fruitful friendship followed.

They catch up in James’ lounge for a cuppa to talk about Dad-musician life; the good ol’ days of herbal highs; and whether any of the New Zealand music community would avoid death if they were forced to play Survivor. 

  • Lawrence Arabia performs The Phoenix Foundation’s single 'Let Me Die A Woman' from their debut album Horse Power
  • The Phoenix Foundation performs Lawrence Arabia’s 'Bicycle Riding' from the 2012 album The Sparrow

Lawrence Arabia is on tour throughout Aotearoa in 2022 performing his album Chant Darling in full.


Directors: Reuben Bonner, Ezra Simons

Series Producer: Reuben Bonner 

Producer: Maddie Walker 

Director of Photography: Tim Flower, Matt Henley
Editor: Josh Yong 

Camera Operator: Daryl Wong, Andreas Mahn

Sound Recordists: Micah Livesay, Mike Gibson

Colourist/Graphics: The Post Office | Steve Gulik

Sound Mix: Native Audio | Jordan Smith 

Made with the support of NZ On Air 

With very special thanks to Auckland Museum and Massey University


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